-How do you determine your moral? As Müslims. (Repeats the question) -Being a human. You may say “everybody is human”! No To be born as human is not enough to be a human. For example, killers who kill people. Wild ones… Today, Do you think are baby persecuters are included in human category? Then, after we talk about the facts that make humans, human… of course this human must has a user user guide. So, How do i determine my moral ? After i become a human, i determine the moral with obeying that human’s user guide. And what is it? You remember sometimes we talk about, “even a basic thing has a user manual… so, is it possible a being, a human which has million times more art on it, alive and… trying to read the universe, without a user guide? Look, even your shirt has one, wash this like that etc… It has its own rules. So my brother, is it possible to be a human without a user manual at exhibition of universe -Ok so, Can’t we determine our moral values with comparing other human’s values? For example.. “If you don’t steal from me and i won’t steal from you.. okey, we have a deal”. Is it necessary to declaration from holy books? -So there is an understanding like ” Guide is not necessary” , right? (He is clarifying the question ) So you mean ” Isn’t it possible to moral structures can emerge without prophets and celestian religions.” Is that true? It would be very limited. But yeah it can be. For example, tribes that without prophet effect… “don’t steal my wife, that thing neither, etc.” These things are already in humanity. It is in human data, it comes with genesis. For example, an African clan and a clan from other side of the world have mostly the same moral values. Eventhough they both didn’t see each other. So it means the thing that determines the values is “conscience”. Islam and religion (not most of the religion, true and real one), educates the conscience. If we examine this point, maybe this African clan didn’t need help that much. in the modern times eventhough people are at the top level of civilization, consciences are getting rust. Education, but what kind of education. Education of conscience, my beautiful brother. For example, Medicine. After long and hard years a man finishes his education and achieves many levels, but he may still trick his patients. What kind of education can we talk about? We have to educate our consciense first! How we can educate the conscience the best way? Religion, i mean existing a prohibitionist in the heart. And there is a question like “But i am a good person, i don’t do things like that, i am educated etc. My moral is…” It is not enough because there is a thing named “nafs”. It likes things good for him and tries to keep things not good for him away. We are not talking about the morality within the framework of our benefit. Moving by morality even in the situations that don’t consider our benefit is sign of the existence of police in the heart. It reminds you, “there will be an interrogation of this.” Islam is a whole. Not just a religion. Faith in hereafter, prophet and God make a whole. And sometimes they say “All wars etc. are because of religion” Troçki, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler World War 1-2.. Are those because of Islam? Mongol invasion is because of Islam? If there is not a decisive rule, everybody makes their own rules. And this is more dangerious situation. Everybody begins to clash their own morality structure with each other. What kind of order and system is this? One of them will accept and other one won’t. Whose is true and why is it? Then whole law system will collapse. This time, making his own rules for his own benefit he’ll make soap made by human. So that’s true(!) He kills people with guillotine. Puts the child 50 times in front of the parents to torture them. Which structure of morality? Has a benefit come from ateism? This mind becomes a torturer for him nothing different. What if you are wrong? What if God, hereafter and prophet don’t exist? I am not wrong in it? Because i have nothing to lose in this situation. Let me tell you the second situation and you will see. Being exist in this world with the fear of to dissapear anytime. “Everything is gonna end!” Let’s say he convinces himself to that by canceling the feelings. “Ok i’ll end, no problem.” Because he sees other persons like him. It makes him comfort to see other failed studens. But when he goes the near of his father it doesn’t help him. That’s what people say. ” Everybody is going to end” Do you know when will he feel the fear of the ending? When the moment of he hugs his child. The moment he is attached to something, his wife, his parents. The moment when he feels the extreme love and mercy. When he is about to hug his lover somebody whispers his ear, … “He-she is going to be dissapear forever and you are not going to see him-her again!” Let’s make it 3 minutes. In this 3 minutes, can he continue to hug and kiss them with same peace and happiness? They are trying to believe themselves but human genesis doesn’t accept this. And they contradict with themselves… “They say if there is, he will take me to paradise.” Why? Because “I’ve been questioning”. He’s looking for faults while questioning. Questioning is to betest things by if they are true or false. -Cannot they decide? -Yes of course, because he hasn’t got a judge. His nafs became his judge. What is good for it, true. And the otherwise is not. Like we say, the existence of my stomach is a proof of the existance of foods. Just like the relation between my thirsty and water’s existence. Therefore, if there is a desire for infinite in me, it shows us there is an infinite place. I don’t have a thing to lose. I have been living by some rules and while living like it.. because of the obedience and worship, i have felt the peace. I haven’t lost anything. If there is something i have lost, i have won a hundred things. And even in here i have lived with the consolation of the existence of infite place. if i’ve vanished, there is nothing i have lost. But other guy always carries the pain of this. And WHAT IF THERE IS?! Oh no! And there is… Some people asks a ostrich to carry to something. it says “i am a bird”. They says “then fly!””. It says now “i am a camel.” (ostrich in Turkish -> camel-bird) Just like this, they cannot decide. If there is, we’ll go to heaven. If there is not, like this… What do they decide? They need to decide. -So, an atheist that lived as a good person cannot go to heaven? In any places, is a document without the seal.accepted in a office? -Atheists says that; ” the universe is full of flaws”. -Hmm. -And i want to ask you that If there is a God, why we see things bad and imperfect around us? Sometimes imperfection is a part of perfection. Just think of a table with glasses. You see the perfect ones by comparing with the imperfect ones. You got it? Beauty of beautiful things appears with the ugliness of ugly things. For example, some shops, put a very valuable shoe in a pile of grass and dry leaves. Why? Because of the contrast. Ugliness makes beautiful, beautiful. Universe is just like that. The thing is in here, to see and read the beautiful things between bad and complicated things. And it is connected to how you look at the meaning. Everything is beautiful itself, or they are beautiful due to their consequenses. Human counts non-benefited thing bad, because of his selfishness. -Atheists say; every living kind could be fed by the solar system. Not by eating each other and hurting any other spicies like lion and gazelle. In this way we could live in peace and happy. If the system was like they say, then they would looking for something different again Because these guys are not looking for order. They accept the situation in disorder as a proof for themselves. You remember, we said; human likes whatever good for himself and the otherwise he counts ugly. Also human is kind of officer to universe. People consider everything even the thing isn’t related to him directly. Therefore, there are somethings that look bad but inside of the situation is the other way, Just like snow. They call snow “white nightmare” but it is actually “white mercy”. Because it kills microbes in the air. It becomes a blanket for plants on the earth. They become water storage for us etc.. In this situation what did human do? He looked at the side that concerns him and counted the difficulties. But he need to see the whole universe picture. Because of his tiny perspective he sees like that. If he turns his perspective to other side, if he looks with wisdom… But he won’t look, because he counts himself as the engineer of the universe A man that cannot even manage himself properly and unaware from himself, tries to manage the universe. Tries to make his rotten mind, judge of the universe. If someone looks for bad things withbad intentions, he will find. So he is going to find a proof. Even to a little sign, he has to grab and hold tightly because he has no other exit point. Therefore he’ll ask: “why just one of the millions of human sperms and fish eggs?”… “Like it has to be!” it is as far as you know. For example fish eggs sometimes become food for other spicies, right? Then today, why does he eat lamb meat or cow meat? Eats grass? He is damages(!) He wastes, as he says. There is a system. He doesn’t speak about things against his benefit. His clothes are property of animals. It is because the benefit of his. Because of the selfishness, he considers the things are not useful for him as bad and ugly things. But whatever you see in the universe, is a part of a whole when you look at widely. Everything is beautiful as itself or because of the consequences. A rose with thorns! He looks at it bad and ugly because of his benefit. But thorns are experienced soldiers which cover the rose. Why don’t you see it like this? Thorns exist in order to the cover from dangerous animals. “There are thorns, they are not necessary. It is ugly.” Everything is just like that. -Isn’t it possible that the Bing Bang had been started by coincidence. They end the matter by saying “Isn’t it possible?” Mostly like this. Therefore questions are not going to end. Isn’t it possible to be become everything available from a explosion. They are picking out the irregularity from this. However, i did not see even anything perfect from any kind of explosion. If you put a dynamite after a demolotion of a house. What becomes as regular thing? Even there, there is a “exposion” action. Is it possible to be an action without a subject? “Because of the coinsidence” What are you trying to make comfort? Is there anything regular formed by coinsidence? -So as Muslims, isn’t it an exit point from everything by giving everything to a God? No, it’s not like that. Our perspective is not like you say. It is “this and that happens like that and it requires a Powerful God” And now, they say “this and that happens like that and they are because of a consequences”. There is no one to say something. They say “they have become by themselves” There is no one to say something. But when we say “they are because of a omniponent” there are people to say. So, you are giving divinity to all atoms which has no knowledge, no will, no power. Applauses.. We say everything is because of a God. And he cannot accept, huh? At least we belive one, you are giving to everything divinity. Isn’t it ridicilous? It is like, giving a soldier to hundred commanders vs. giving a commander to hundred soldiers. -Do you think that holy books are flawless? -If you mean changed ones.. -Let’s consider Quran al-Kareem. -Of course other heavenly holy books are flawless. The reason of flaw is humans. -What about Quran? They were preparation for Quran. Allah didn’t promise to protect them. In the Quran he says it and he does it. Atheists say that they found faults in Quran. He cannot even read surah al-Fatiha If you read it like a historical book or a literary book… …or you read it for finding flaws, of course… Because you don’t understand, you don’t know. For example,surah al-Hucurat 11-12 There are two years between them. But he thinks they came in the same time He doesn’t even know that this verse was sent to who, why, which purpose, when, where. The problem of reading translation is this. To look at the just meaning of words. It is because read meaning without commentary. He doesn’t know meanings of allegorical verses deeply, explainations… What is told here, eloquence etc. Because of lack of understanding in here… He will listen to it again but he won’t understand. -They say, “in Quran He says “we hold the sky in our hand”. But we got there and we saw nothing. There is no Allah” Do you know what do that pathethic feels? He thinks that god is like characters in cartoon he watch. Bearded, speared uncles… Utopic, fantastic films etc. (repeats) What do you understand by saying “hand”. We are human, of course he’d say with human-kind examples. Suspension of stars, of the world without posts… …burning of sun without oil, gas etc. Moving planets are like they are a rosary. Show us the existence of a power hand and happening in his permition… in his knowledge and will. He doesn’t even know what is will. How he can know how is that. Actually, if he wants to find what is true there are many things to show him but… Because of his intention even the reality is hidden to him. Mention of future subjects and miraculaus things… …he will find things for them also. “Sumerians and Egiptians used to have those” Thing is they are going back to thousands or millions years instead of thousand and four hundred years… Be reasonable, let’s go back to 1400 years only. There is a closer time but… no.. -What is the purpose of life as a Muslim then? -Meaning and purpose of life is to do worship duty to my creator. I will earn the approve level of human’s acceptance when i got his approve level. And my all moral structure is built on that. Because a respect occurs in you. In my behaviour to people or to any creature; “there is someone sees me”… -So the purpose is not heaven? -It is following matters my brother. Firstly we try to earn his approve. We are not Muslims because of fear. Fear of Allah requires reverence. Respect consists of love and fear . It is not just because we fear from Allah. Of course we fear from his majesty and anger. But when they combine to love, become reverence. Heaven is following matter. Why? Today if you are going to come my house as guests with your parents, I fear you to come. Not because you will eat to much. You are my lovely brother, my Naile aunt… “Can i make them comfort” fear it is. And i love you . When they come together, it becomes reverence. If we try to save our reverence to Allah and act like it.. …then the universe will perfect, you know that? And i think it is the main matter of the moral structure. Main matter is that rejecting my own benefits because of Allah’s claims sometimes. -Ok, for an atheist what is the purpose? He has a short life, here is heaven for him. He has to do everything in his heaven. If he lives till his 80s. Notice himself is at 15-16 years old. it makes 64-65 years. Some years of 65 are spent with sleeping. Some of it goes with illnesses and disasters. Because unhappy times are more than happy times for human. You cannot laugh for a thing for 4 days but it is easy to cry for 4 days with horrible sadnesses. In a life like that, where are you going to fill happiness to? -What if they say “i think the purpose is to contribute to civilization a little bit”. What would you say? -Civilization that they try to contribute it, pushing them to hell. Isn’t everything because of “civilization”? They don’t be as they really are. They live for the civilization and it limits the freedom. “I must be like that, i must do this and that in a short life” How can you be? You sprint to death… …to vanish, to end. You are gonna be a carrion. .. gonna be decay, you don’t exist, ZERO. -So there is no meaning. -Absolutely, he goes a level that even lower than animals’. Their situation is just like, do you know? An execution place is prepared. And he is walking right there. While he walks, there are every kind of pleasure and taste next to him. And he knows that he is going to the execution. Their situation is just like that man trying to enjoy himself while he walks to execution table. They are trying to trick themselves by saying “we are happy.” and getting use to. “Probably the situation like this, let’s cheer ourselves.” they find people like them. Strong ones. “because he thinks like me, he’s gonna vanish too.” If just he vanish, he wouldn’t do that. But he sees some people like him and this encourages him. For example, that person must kill himself when he got sick. Just think, you lose everybody you love. Your child, wife, parents… Why do you still live? Are you retard or stupid. Everyone has vanished and you couldn’t get rid of the memories. You better give yourself out of your misery. – Hasha! What would you do if you see there is no another world after you die? I didn’t think that because there is. Besides i have lived a life by that. I have continued because of i see the pleasure. A demo of the heaven, i live even in this world. What he say’s?; “The real pleasure, a taste without anypain, joy without grief and happiness in life… is in the faith and in the framework of the trues of the faith only. Otherwise if you chase world’s pleasure, you get 10 slaps for 1 piece of grape. I am in the first section. I live the pleasure part easily and i see. What if there is no an hereafter, then i have nothing to lose. And the question doesn’t make sense. There is no time to think that. If i vanished i vanished. But when we look at the world’s scenario, who is happier? He fought against vanish. But i fought for the heaven. I think even this is enough. (Food talk) – Is the purpose of scientists, make Allah unnecessary? -Scientists have become their God. Some of them have not been to even once in lab, has not held a beaker once, has not looked through a microscope, only thing he looks throuht is the window of his house… Scientist, scientists… Who even are you? Just two article you read. Why is he marginal you got it? “I am different!” Two arguments “mitochondrion and endoplasmicreticulum” When he use them in speech, some of people say” Oh, he knows”. He knows what? We are in argument fight, you know. A kind of reputation for scientists. Yes, he is a scientist and in an effort. But he better with his science. Do you go to machinist when you have a bellyache? Do you go to an engineer when you have toothache. Everybody better while doing their job. How can a man that drowned in substances understand a subject that almost fully consisting of metaphysic. What are you gonna do with it? With arguments that tries to demolish the religion. Therefore the science and Islam never contradicts. They both proof each other. Actually we have no trouble with the science. It’s science philosophy. I love science and scientist. They introduce me my Lord with the documentary that they made. They take me to many discoveries that i cannot do it myself. And the names and adjectives, the unlimited power and endless knowledge of his, i learn and think by documentaries. I kind of thank them . – You can wave your hand here. Ok, what do you think about the evolution as a muslim. -There is no an expression muslimly. In Islam there is no transition from a kind to another, an explanation that without a creator.. They say, with an explosion, in water, at non-oxygened place, ext. by the concentration of gases, a protein, an aliveness, and from an aliveness, reproduction, after that differentation and landing. Landing and walking etc.. Hocus-pokus They explain it so well. -What about intermediate-forms? I have many things to tell but we don’t have time for it. fortunately a documentary about to be featured about it. I want to ask you something, an atom and atom community without knowledge and will and power… Let’s say they have become spontaneously. 1- Where the life has come from? Will we come down to here? Was not the Experiment of CERN for it? Let’s go until that? We cannot even answer this. Where did the life come to this in your scenario? Who plugged-in? When we ask that, they say, “we are not interested in life, just the evulation process” Your biggest proof requires millions of years. What kind of proof is that? Millions of years, billions of years… “It has become transformed.” Ok, what about while it’s happening… Have not showed up wings on us! How decided it that choice? “oh, i wish i have legs” and while it is happening… how is it possible these legs to be as perfect as possible. I repeat, it is a very deep subject so i am going to talk about just a little piece of it. While this is happening why have not these legs showed up on our heads? Have not they showed up on a place that they didn’t want? Do not residuals exist like that? How is that possible? They think and think… Yeah, the consensus. Eyes are here, feet are here. Who did decide those choices? Did not do they trial-and-error? Where is the residuals of the experimentals? -As bonus, What will happen to YOU and to an ATHEİST when you die?… …for example Stephan Hawking died. -Flashes popped. -What will happen to him and to you, inshallah? With short sentences please. I can’t give this question a certain answer. because i live in this struggle. -Ok then. Stephan Hawking… He made many good things for human kind as an atheist. and other atheists take him as an idol. Like Elon Musk… many favours. -Yeah but he did what he did for world. “World’s best scientist, world’s the most helpful human, world’s..” He already took his award, what does he want more? We consider the situation because of our good intention (conscience). For example if you say to an atheist, ” Hey brother (or sister) what will happen your situation?” i am not talking about in Turkey only. Like Stephan Hawkins… They will say “none of your business… …I do not even believe his award system, why would i think the rest?” It’s because our conscience. He lives for here afterall. World, world, world; applauses, awards. He took his awards already. -Thanks (Closing speech) What do you think about atheism??